We all know(if you have seen it),that the Joker did what he did intentionally to Harvey Dent to make him become two face....who may or may not be dead.

The Joker isn't stupid....so maybe he didn't put her where ever he said she was?
Maybe she was somewhere else?
If she is alive,she will think that Harvey Dent/Two Face is dead (or possibly not) and a chance of her turning into Catwoman? Maybe the Joker did the same to Racheal as he did to Harvey?(wound her up and turned her "evil")...
What you think?

good possibility, but I believe dent is dead, They had his funeral*
As far as Rachel is concerned, she is dead too...it was kinda stated clearly, though it could be possible they want you to think that, though as for Dent, he's dead*

I think that both Rachel and Dent are dead, but one of them might be alive.

according to the Dark Knight script, Harvey broke his neck when he fell and is definitely dead.

Aaroneckhart stated in an interview that the Harvey Dent/Two face character died. I heard it on the radio station today.

no where in the dark knight does it say harvey dent or rachel dawes is dead,the never find her body. as for two face the people of gotham will be lead to believe he is dead to protect dents good work and memory but he will be back as two face(a similar story was done in the comics many years ago),eckhart only said the harvey dent character is dead not two face.

i was hoping two face would survive, they did not do his character justice if they killed him off so quickly.

do you people really think that the makers of the dark knight have killed off such a big known villian especially since they may not be able to use the joker ever again.

Two-face isn't a done character in the series, I don't care if Dark Knight ended with him as a hero even when he wasn't, sooner or later he'll be found out by the city. Geez, this sounds like a Soap Oprah thread.

I was kinda hoping for a showdown between Batman and Two Face. Can't wait for the next batman movie

no where in the dark knight does it say harvey dent or rachel dawes is dead,the never find her body.

So does that mean Ghul will return since his body "was never found" either?

you didn't listen to batman begins closely did you as it just like the comics tells you that ra's al ghul is immortal so yes he could be back.

Actually Ra's Al Ghul has these Lazarus Pits that revive him whenever he "dies" in the comics. Coincidently Edward Nigma (the Riddler) supposedly uses them to get rid of his cancer, I believe it is.

And I don't think the Joker really lied. He said the right addresses, just said them in the wrong order so that the cops end up trying to get to Rachel, and Batman ending up finding Harvey.

And yes I think they both died. The explosion happens just behind Rachel and Harvey broke his neck. It'd be hard to find your body if it's been blown to bits.

The most plausible new movie I could think of would be a new Riddler....more darker and intelligent than the Jim Carrey one (though I loved that movie).

yes the explosion happened behind rachel but what if it was a building or so behind her,she was on a roof remember.TWO FACE IS NOT DEAD,they would not kill off such a big villian. and yes you were right about the lazerous pits in the comics,glad to see another comic fan here as I was getting tired if arguing with people who have seen 1 batman movie and think they know eveything about the character but have never read a comic.

Well, according to what I've heard, there is most likely going to be another Batman movie. So if there is, I would guess that there would be a different major villain, like the Riddler. He might show up as a side villain like he did in the Dark Knight. Of course, the next movie could make Two-Face be the main villain. You never know. As for Rachel Dawes becoming Catwoman, I doubt they would do that. Selina Kyle would be Catwoman.

Sorry to break it to you, but Christopher Nolan had said that Two Face had died in The Dark Knight movie. As far as Rachel still being alive... It's a long shot but it IS possible. But knowing the ruthlessness of the Joker, I'm almost certain that he meant to kill her.

When he was being interrogated by Batman, he intentionally gave him the wrong addresses for both because he knew batman was going to save Rachel. Smart guy I say....

no she can't be alive and even if she was she wouldn't become catwoman because she isn't Selina Kyle.

i too think they both r dead......

This is embarrassing. In this thread, I've read a couple of interesting points that keep getting shot down with childish neglect. Stop being so negative! I would LOVE this forum to actually fill with intelligent debate and constructive criticism.

I think it's fascinating that "Rachel Dawes might not be dead because we never found her body and maybe she was close enough to the explosion but NOT in it [paraphrasing]." That being said, while I don't follow the whole nope-she's-dead argument, I'll say that I personally find it hard to believe that they'll bring her back in any capacity whatsoever. There are many logical reasons not to. Most importantly, it would severely weaken the impact of her death in TDK as well as the theme of consequences for Bruce/Batman throughout his journeys. I just don't see one decent reason to bring her back. For that reason, I HOPE she's dead. (Morbid, huh?)

As for Two-Face, regardless of what ANYONE says, even Nolan and Goyer themselves, we can ALWAYS bring TF back. Forget him for now, though. I predict he is important enough surely to be brought back when the new director takes over for Nolan. My hope for the next 3-film act? Frank Miller. Bring back TF and Joker then. For now, we need impressive surprises and THAT means possibly resurrecting a character or two we may not like too much right now - Catwoman and/or Robin. Start getting over it RIGHT NOW, nay-sayers. These two imparticular are as crucial to Batman's being as Alfred or Bruce Wayne himself. I don't think I'm exaggerating either. Get used to it. Sooner or later, SOMEBODY has to do these characters justice. If Nolan only has one more batchapter left in him, I think we'd all be highly impressed with how he handles them, redefines them, recasts them, and integrates them into his vision of Gotham. Remember, it's all about the story. Not O'Donnell. Not Clooney. Not Schumaker. Not Burton. Not West. The story. Does the story kick ass? Nolan has earned my faith for now.

Null isn't even know what you is talking about. How can you even say Nolan has earned your faith. Thats is just too much ignorance than I can't handle. You isn't even as smart enough as much as a goldfish with only a memory thats is three seconds. You has truly reached your pintacle of ignorance. Don'ts even try to call us ne-sayers when the things you say are as negative things too though.

I think null has a point with rachels death or possible death showing the consequencies that batman/bruce wayne has to endure, but if she isn't dead and comes back as say harley quinn,it would be harder for batman/bruce wayne to know that he has to fight her and bring her to justice all the while knowing he is the cause of how she is. sofaking before u post anymore on this forum go and actually watch a batman movie and read a history of batman or atleast a batman comic then come back with something good and constructive to say,hell when did jim carey or robert de niro play the joker(for those who think I have gone nuts and now know nothing about batman please go read sofakings post called how many jokers in the other batman chat section)

Hahahahahaha

Null guess u just read the post how many jokers.

How many Jokers must allways happen?

Theres always too many jokers. I mean theres Jim Karey and theres allso robirt deneaor too. And theres also jack from the shiny who is the joker. I mean Maybe steven kings likes him but it isn;t enough for him to actual be the one who is in batman as the jokaer though. He isn't even as funny. Nobody actual knows who shoukd even play him but i could probably do it better than evn thoughs guys. Regless I hope to see a REAL acter probably play them. I would suggest Tim Allen or neil flynn.
Bravo. lol

You're a real enigma. I don't know if you're sofa king, so f*king, or so faking.

As i watched Dark Knight and based on the past batman movies,Rachel and Dent were dead but there's always a twist in the story.They might be possibly both alive or one of them.

Yeah, kkaos is leading the "Both" camp. I'm with the "Dent" camp.

I want Two-face to be alive, theyve killed of a major too soon. But its a definite death, as for rachel i agree with null on the fact that if she is alive it takes away some of the heroism of Bruce. Although, i also agree that if she was alive and the joker done to her what he did to harvey it would be a struggle for bruce to fight her. But all in all shes better off dead. (Why would she be Harley Quinn? Wouldnt make sense for her to ally with the joker when he blew up her lover? But then again, nloans changed the characters alot so even if she is Harley she might not necessarily ally with the Joker).

no where in the dark knight does it say harvey dent or rachel dawes is dead,the never find her body. as for two face the people of gotham will be lead to believe he is dead to protect dents good work and memory but he will be back as two face(a similar story was done in the comics many years ago),eckhart only said the harvey dent character is dead not two face.

THis is exactly my thought, But even if he was dead it wouldn't necessarily rule him out of the movie. I posted in another thread, theres flashbacks and etc, lots of stuff he could have done when not on scene in tdk.

Dent is dead. I don't think there's much doubt about that, plus he's not really a character that they HAVE to bring back like The Joker is. It is, however, entirely plausible that Rachael is alive--they did NOT show her body, so that could be, and would make for a lovely little plot twist in the next film, especially considering the betrayal of Batman she committed with that note she wrote that he never saw because Fox burned it...

Alfred burned the note.

Dent/TFace is almost as much a Batman staple as Joker. Dismissing him as unnecessary isn't very consistent with the claim that Joker must return.

Nolan refuses to revive Joker after Ledger died.

One good reason we weren't "shown Rachel's body" could be because her remains were indistinguishable from the rubble of the explosion.

During the making of TDK, Nolan told Eckhart he definitely wouldn't be bringing back TFace at all. But, that was before Ledger died. Some of us hold out hope that he might change his mind.

The best thing Nolan might do is to keep Joker's legend alive somehow without bringing him back; i.e. an off-hand remark about Joker's behavior at Arkham Asylum. Finding a way to move on from TDK might prove delicate and difficult to execute masterfully at this juncture, but if he can do it, I imagine it's with a whole new danger. As obvious as it may seem on the surface, Riddler may be Nolan's only logical choice.

Consider the overwhelming wave of negativity that could quite possibly follow if Nolan replaced Ledger as Joker. At best, it's a highly illogical risk to take. At worst, foolish.

Nolan told Eckhart that his character was dead. But this was before Ledger died.

Ra's can use his Lazarus Pit and revive Dent, and make an even crazier version.

that would be crazy if they brought back 2face. No one would expect it with everyone's focus now on Bane and Catwoman


i think Bane and Catwoman were good choices though

yes the explosion happened behind rachel but what if it was a building or so behind her,she was on a roof remember.TWO FACE IS NOT DEAD,they would not kill off such a big villian. and yes you were right about the lazerous pits in the comics,glad to see another comic fan here as I was getting tired if arguing with people who have seen 1 batman movie and think they know eveything about the character but have never read a comic.

I TOTALLY agree with you on the comics thing, but I believe Rachel and Two-Face are both dead, Nolan wouldn't reuse villains two movies in a row. I would like to see a new love interest in The Dark Knight Rises, Vicki Vale perhaps?