Oh, and thanks KK. That changes things. I'll check that out.

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Harley Quinn need not see Joker .Just be in some scort of contact.Look at just released inmate,Squeaky Fromme.
I agree with you on a battle of the minds with Riddler.
How Joker is a anarchist,Riddle should be a mad genius.
But like you said,youth gets box office.

I still stand by having Rachel become harley quinn after having been mentally tortured by the joker, and before any annoying members(see a post of mine in Rachel Dawes dead or not in the dark knight section from about 1 year ago) who know nothing about batman say anything I know Harley Quinns real name is Harleen Francis Quinzeel.

Ok so let me get this.Rachel Dawes,becomes Harley Quinn.But Harley Quinns real name is Harleen Francis Quinzeel?Make that Dr.Quinzeel.Joker twisted her to his thinking.
Rachel dead.Theres no comming back.
And who to be Rachel next time?
If they can change people in movies,then Joker can come back.
If just for a few mins.
Just to set up a plot.
More than one thing can happen at a time.
Look at last movie.
A good plot would be a new love intrest for Bruce/Batman,Salina/Catwoman.
Villians,Riddler,Harley Quinn.

Give me conclusive proof that Rachel Dawes is really dead in the dark knight.
The love interest story would suck we have already seen it over the course of batman begins and the dark knight and the bruce/batman in love with selina/catwoman has been done to death as has the riddler character he has been in the 60s batman tv show, the batman forever movie and he is the second most used baddie in the batman comics just behind the joker.

I'm with you, KK, on feeling uncomfortable towards the blatant obviousness of using Riddler yet again in a new Batman series. However, I just can't deny the... blatant obvious of using Riddler yet again in a new Batman series. As much as I'd appreciate being pleasantly surprised as I was with the choice of Ra's, I can't think of anyone who can better fit the timing of not only having to equal or one up TDK, but also have to follow a tragically deceased super artist like Heath - playing arguably the best version of the best villain in Batman's history. Dude. If you have any ideas, I'd love to hear it! But, it's gonna take more than a short opinion about Freeze or Black Mask (for example) to get people to ignore that Riddler, in all honesty, IS right there.

They said they're not doing Penguin. Bale said he wouldn't have a Robin. Two-Face is insisted to be dead (although I'm holding out some hope otherwise). And, Joker stays Heath's forever according to Nolan. Aside from adding some hench-villains for Riddler to use and what not, I got nothin'. Nothing that sounds as attractive as an Emerson/Riddler (and maybe Deadshot) panicking the audience half to death with mystery.

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Null that is what I like about you, your posts are well thought out and researched. but if I were to suggest a never before used in movies batman baddie I would say Abattoir, who Batman comic fans will know as a serial killer who targets members of his family and just about anyone else who is near his intended family victims, it could be fun to watch batman entering the crime scene almost catching Abattoir only for the police to arrive and add this murder to the list they think Batman reponsible for, and also watching batman use his skills to evade the police but also catch Abattoir.

Kriskaos,Joker was done before too.Look at what a great job they did on his make over.
More hell bent on terror than ever.
But Riddler,now you can have a battle of the minds.
Catwoman,Harley Quinn,cheese cake sells movies.
Plus theres the action figure sales.
You just cant make a action movie with out(stuff).
With the Batman movies that are being made,these are by far the best!
Plot,actors,outfits,location.....New York would be better.
But you have to look at botton line,money.
Movies arent made for arts sake.There made to make money.
Thats why I cant see Michael Emerson in a green spandex jump suit.
I dont think anyone else would want to eather.
But I do belive a couple of gals in latex and spandex,people would want to see.
As well as a young guy in it as well.
Batman is on the run.What better way to clear himself than with the challenge to end all challenges,X's 3.

true the joker has been done before and more often than any other batman villian but he is used so often as he is instantly recognisible by anyone in the civillised world and also he has been reimagined as often as batman has,the joker is the ultimate villian it pits a derranged mind against a focused mind,the ultimate in evil as he has no morals against the ultimate force in good who has morals,that is what makes the battles with batman and the joker fun, where as the riddler is the baddie who has plans and has a strange need to leave clues that make it easy for batman to catch him making it less fun, but then again it would bring out the detective in batman.

Hmm. That's an interesting point you make about multi-marketing and merchandising. I hate to acknowledge the significance of the influence of such things on art, but it is undeniable. However, I think you neglect Batman Begins with your analysis, Batfan. Sure, making money is a staple of Hollywood and a critical goal for any film, especially superhero films. But, NAG have made good efforts to find a finer balance between money and art.

Liam Neeson is an attractive man, but not nearly the young draw that today's Josh Hartnett or Chad Michael-Murray might've brought to the role. I shudder at the thought of swapping Neeson for "a younger, sexier draw". At the same time, I do have to recognize that in BB we still had something of a romance between Bruce Wayne and Rachel Dawes; with Scarecrow being cast by a younger, more attractive good actor than would've been loyal to comics.

Perhaps, the missing piece to the speculation, or at least in the discussion between us three, is an inclusive compromise of these attributes. With Emerson/Riddler, we get the "Neeson/Ra's" of B3. (And btw, I wouldn't underestimate how much young people, even young children, love them some Ben Linus taking on the bat. Oh, and green spandex? Please.)

@kriskaos: Though it may be risky for us to see the multiple romance angles getting old and predictable after a while, maybe SOME aspect of sexual tension wouldn't hurt. I'd "like" a Catwoman rework. But, they wouldn't even have to go that far I think. Why not include a less explosive character like photographer Vicki Vale? Or, putting a swift and easy end to the imposter Batwoman of comics? Or, less likely, a small-to-medium size role for Gordon's daughter turning 14 and doing part-time clerical work with her father - maybe the super obvious Dakota Fanning? (In case anyone wonders why, Gordon's daughter would one day work full-time with her father while fighting crime as Batgirl, and one day as Oracle. But it doesn't necessarily have to go nearly that far this time. And, "14" because of minimum age for child labor law and she could be a draw for well.. 14 yr olds.)

As for a single-serving hearthrob dude, again I'm with Flanery as Deadshot. But I suppose there's a library to choose from at this point between actors and henchvillains. Hartnett/Deathstroke??

I have to say I kinda like the idea of NAG developing a groove if they choose to go older villain, younger villain, older villain, younger villain as far as the spotlight is concerned - the oldest perhaps being Freeze (or Dracula lol). It would set a good rythym overall I think.

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